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David Stewart (major-general)[edit]

An article about Major General David Stewart, who wrote a book in two volumes that created the modern image of the clans, including regiments, look, tartan, battles etc. It needs to be assessed in 3 months. Worth a look. scope_creep (talk) 13:43, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Friendly reminder about reliable sources (avoid use of,, etc.)[edit]

I've been correcting the Gaelic names for clans, as almost all were incorrect or misspelled. Most of the bad Gaelic was attributed to and These websites cannot be considered reliable sources, especially where Gaelic names are concerned. Older print resources are not ideal either, as they often reflect older spellings or usages which are not considered correct today. This resource[1], produced by Sabhal Mòr Ostaig, the Gaelic college of Scotland, is the best that I've come across for Scottish Gaelic names. Whatever source you use, be careful not to confuse clan names with surnames. They are usually similar and rarely the same. Alázhlis (talk) 04:56, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Popular pages report[edit]

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WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject[edit]

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Clan MacLaren wiki page[edit]

I would like to add the original MacLaurin crest badge from 1781 and also replace the incorrect crest badge that is depicted for the modern Clan MacLaren. How do I go about doing that? Cordially Mac — Preceding unsigned comment added by MacRory Mor (talkcontribs) 00:32, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

I don't think you understand, the Clan MacLaren page on Wikipedia is supposed to have the modern crest badge. That is what the page is representing. So you won't be able to do that. I have also left several messages for you to reply to on Talk:Clan McLaurin. This whole Clan McLaurin thing is very dubious to say the least.QuintusPetillius (talk) 10:51, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Sept lists[edit]

I think we should have a rule in policy that names found in the sept lists should not simply be linked to a the surname disambiguation page for that name. Just because someone has a surname that is regarded as a sept surname of a clan does not mean that they or their ancestors' ancestors were from the same family that was a sept. There are endless examples of this. Some of these are surnames have origins in countries other than Scotland for a start. So, links should only be made to pages specifically about the sept of that name. For example if you check the septs listed on the Clan Munro article, they all go to pages specifically about the septs by that name. As are those on the Clan Ross, Clan Sutherland and Clan Mackay articles. However, while I do not think it acceptable to link to articles just about the surname, I do think that is acceptable in certain cases for a sept name to link to a clan article of the name. For example on the Clan Douglas page all of the septs with links go to articles to clans who are clans in their own right, but who historically were smaller septs or vassals of the Clan Douglas. Also, it might be worth looking into some proper sources for septs other than the old 19th century lists which are hardly reliable. The book What Is My Clan?: A Study of Scottish Clans, Their Septs, and the Various Spellings by David W. McIntosh, published 2018, may be somewhereto start looking for this.QuintusPetillius (talk) 16:26, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

You can look at it from another direction. Some readers may assume that, because a partular surname is listed as a sept, that this name is always or mostly connected with a certain clan. If such surnames are wiki-linked to, and the surname article is half descent, the reader will become informed that there is much more to that surname than they originally thought. So I don't think we should automatically cull links to name pages. I think there can be use in linking to (descent) surname articles. It's just a judgement call.
I would say that articles on established septs should be wiki-linked in preference to surnames articles. So, like what we've got with the Mackay-descended Bains for example. Instead of wiki-linking to the surname article Bain, the listed Mackay sept of 'Bain' links to the actual family in question.
I agree that improving the quality of our sources should always be encouraged. If you think that book is better than most, you could add it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Clans of Scotland/Resources, it might encourage someone else to use it.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 00:55, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Late reply I know, but I've only just seen your reply. The problem is that by linking surname disambiguation pages to sept names it implies that everyone with that surname belongs to the sept of that name, which in the majority of cases will not be correct. So I see it as being misleading.QuintusPetillius (talk) 20:23, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Issues with WP:OR on clan articles[edit]

Could use more eyes on this Sourcing and OR on Clan articles, Need more eyes. Thanks - CorbieV 23:45, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

MacGowan, McGowan, "Scoto-Irish"[edit]

So far the main sourcing for this stub, Clan MacCowan, is actually about "Scoto-Irish" Clan MacGowan. I'm thinking it would maybe be more appropriate to merged and redirect to McGowan, rather than what I'm cleaning up, which is yet another copy and paste retread of all the variant, interconnected and sometimes redundant Clan MacEwen et al articles. Not every listed surname on those "find your clan!" websites needs it's own Clan page on WP... Would appreciate more input. - CorbieV 21:12, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Oppose I disagree with merging these two pages. They are about two different things. McGown should list all people and places named McGown and Clan McGwon should be about the clan of that name.

WikiProject Genealogy[edit]

If anyone here is interested, we are looking for volunteers at WikiProject Genealogy. Thanks! Tea and crumpets (talk) 01:11, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool[edit]

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

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  1. ^ Mac an Tàilleir, Iain. "Ainmean Pearsanta" (docx). Sabhal Mòr Ostaig. Retrieved 15 October 2009.